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June 3[edit]

Politics and elections


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Armed conflicts and attacks

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RD: Carl Cain[edit]

Article: Carl Cain (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KCRG
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Levy (Israeli politician)[edit]

Article: David Levy (Israeli politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Israeli Politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 04:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico election[edit]

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Articles: 2024 Mexican general election (talk · history · tag) and Claudia Sheinbaum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Claudia Sheinbaum is elected as president of Mexico. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Claudia Sheinbaum is elected as the first female president of Mexico.
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article needs updating
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Important election. Media outlets in Mexico are already projecting that Sheinbaum won, but votes are still being counted. Davey2116 (talk) 03:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • The Sheinbaum article is in no fit state to be a bolded article. Three orange tags and five citation needed tags will have to be addressed first. Schwede66 04:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Wait until it's been officially projected that she has been elected. Support Also worth mentioning in the blurb that she'll be Mexico's first female president. It appears the election has been called for Sheinbaum per NYT. The general election article looks good in terms of sourcing. Not sure if Sheinbaum's article needs to be a target article as well. I recall nominating Guillermo Lasso's election but the 2021 Ecuadorian general election was suggested as the targeted article. Not sure if things changed then. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For example
  • Wait Absolutely nothing official yet (silence from the INE is odd and the others haven't conceded). Use the time to find a better photo and fix the orange tags (no {{cn}}s left). Moscow Mule (talk) 05:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the 2024 Mexican general election for notability. Sheinbaum's article needs to be reworked to be bolded. This is the first time a puppet president has been elected since Emilio Portes Gil, and Mexico is descending into a condition of democratic decay, with Sheinbaum herself promising to overhaul the election and legal systems. Her gender is not relevant enough to be described in the blurb beyond the standard reports. She is also the first person of Jewish origin to be elected, the first atheist, and the first person to indirectly earn a Nobel Prize, although these achievements are not highlighted. (CC) Tbhotch 05:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No opinion as to the article quality, but all the major Anglophone news organizations like AP, Reuters, and NYTimes have called the election for Sheinbaum.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 07:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Is it worth also adding mention of the SHH alliance getting a supermajority if it occurs? A political alliance becoming powerful enough to unilaterally amend a national consitution must surely be big news if it happens. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 08:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Burnside[edit]

Article: John Burnside (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Scottish award-winning writer Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rob Burrow[edit]

Article: Rob Burrow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Icelandic presidential election[edit]

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Article: 2024 Icelandic presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Halla Tómasdóttir (pictured) is elected president of Iceland. (Post)
News source(s): RUV
Credits:

BastianMAT (talk)

  • Oppose on quality. ITN/R is given, so I support this in principle, but Halla's article is still pretty much a stub, and the election article still lacks both context and aftermath. Once it all is ready, I'm more than happy to support it. CDE34RFV (talk) 09:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Halla's article is extremely short and election article needs more prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality per PrinceofPunjab. One target's a stub and the other is almost bare of prose. The Kip (contribs) 20:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- this is not ITNR, no? Not head of the executive. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 07:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose -- since it's not ITNR and the President of Iceland has no actual power, I oppose posting this. --RockstoneSend me a message! 09:26, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of El Fasher[edit]

Article: Battle of El Fasher (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Clashes in Al-Fashir kill over 100 people and injure more than a hundred, while a hospital is subsequently bombed by the Sudanese Armed Forces in Kutum as a result of the battle. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Clashes in Al-Fashir, Sudan, kill over 100 people and injure more than a hundred, while a hospital is subsequently bombed by the Sudanese Armed Forces in Kutum as a result of the battle.
News source(s): (Sudan Tribune) (Dabanga Sudan) (Sudan Tribune) (Channel 4) (BBC)
Credits:

Article updated

(talk) 02:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Added altblurb mentioning the country. Most readers wouldn't know what country this was relevant to if the original blurb were used. Tube·of·Light 05:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support Event is notable and has enough info and sources. NuestroBrasil (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, already covered by ongoing Sudanese civil war and its timeline. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, as it seems quite a notable moment in the ongoing civil war as a whole. I'll note, though, that the article I've just cited should be added to the blurb for further clarity, if we do publish it... Oltrepier (talk) 14:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support we posted massacres in Israel before (i think at least) so why not Sudan? Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You're probably thinking of the October 7 one, which came right before the war (so not yet "covered by ongoing"). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They probably think that one. Also not to forget that we also nominated and posted the Geneina massacre. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If I recall, the deaths in that one were based on more than the say-so of a radio caller, as the Kutum Hospital airstrike (currently) is. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    True. The Geneina massacre was caused by the Battle of Geneina itself and killed between 10 to 20,000 people. Not to forget that the blurb about El Fasher and the full nomination is talking about the ongoing offensive on the city and how it is affecting thousands of people. Furtherly, I think if this nomination does in fact get posted that we should expand the Kutum Hospital airstrike article. But for now let's keep it the way it currently is. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The part about the recent offensive talks about how it killed eleven people and wounded 42. I'm not seeing enough updated detail on these thousands of others (or anything at all about 2024 in the lead). Of course, there remain thousands who have been and are affected in myriad ways this whole time (including in El Fasher), but that much remains conveyed by the Ongoing item, I think. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Battle is covered by ongoing, and the sourcing for the hospital airstrike is shaky anyways. The article is also in no shape to post. The Kip (contribs) 19:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chang'e 6 landing[edit]

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Article: Chang'e 6 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The CNSA Chang'e 6 sample return mission touches down on the far side of the Moon. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, Reuters, News, Xinhua
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article mentions landing but needs work. Prior nomination of Chang'e 6 to ITN consensus was to wait until landing. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 00:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support on notability but article needs some work. Mission profile section is a bit small and needs to be expanded. PrinceofPunjabTALK 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability Obviously, the article needs some work which would help explain this event a bit more. Overall a great event to display on 'In the news'. Vamos Palmeiras (talk) 02:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I was wondering how they knew that the landing was successful and the article explains that the Queqiao-2 relay satellite has been pre-positioned to maintain comms. So, the article is quite informative and and useful. As it's ITN/R, we don't need notability votes. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support though would like to see more expansion of the article to match what we usually see on NASA or ESA missions. There was general consensus when the launch was nominated to wait until it reached the moon (and potentially on a successful return); that's this point. --Masem (t) 14:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. The Kip (contribs) 19:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June 1[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


RD: Philippe Leroy[edit]

Article: Philippe Leroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rai News (Italian)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French actor. May require additional references for this go through. – robertsky (talk) 04:35, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Artur Chilingarov[edit]

Article: Artur Chilingarov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV Reuters
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Russian polar scientist and member of parliament.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose awards section is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UEFA Champions League[edit]

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Articles: 2024 UEFA Champions League final (talk · history · tag) and 2024 UEFA Women's Champions League final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Real Madrid win the 2024 UEFA Champions League for the 15th time after defeating Borussia Dortmund in the final (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Real Madrid win the UEFA Champions League, defeating Borussia Dortmund in the final.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, Real Madrid defeat Borussia Dortmund in the UEFA Champions League final (man of the match Dani Carvajal pictured).
Alternative blurb III: ​ In association football, Barcelona win the women's Champions League (player of the match Aitana Bonmatí pictured) and Real Madrid win the men's Champions League.
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Heatrave (talk) 20:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – Added an ALT blurb based on 2023's blurb. SounderBruce 21:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb but I think Madrid extending their record is worth mentioning as well Jbvann05 21:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments 1. This is ITN/R, 2. Would it be possible to propose a combined altblurb that also mentions that women's Champions League? That final was on 25 May so still within the ITN window (Barcelona beat Lyon). Kingsif (talk) 21:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once match summary is added Article just needs a match summary and post-match section to be added. I'd support the Women's CL final joining this if a summary were added there as well. S.A. Julio (talk) 21:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb I think it would look better for altblurb 3 if Carvajal was featured instead (more recent event + more famous), but altblurb 3 is good too Sharrdx (talk) 00:37, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 when ready women's' final looks ready but there is a rather short small summary on Men's final. When a longer summary is added, I will support it. PrinceofPunjabTALK 01:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aitana Bonmatí
  • Support alt3 (Updated nom re. ITN/R) – there's now a match summary at the Women's final article. There's also this image of Bonmatí there that can be used - probably start by posting one of Carvajal, but it's typical to rotate images after a while and it's a great photo, so can add the Bonmatí one to MP protection. Kingsif (talk) 00:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC) – Marked as ready with the update to the men's final article. Kingsif (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support though I think we need to point out a minor technicality that may need to be discussed later. The UWCL isn't listed on WP:ITN/R so we may need to discuss that for future years in case they stop coinciding to do a dual nom. That being said, I support this nom but I do think ALT3 has a bit too much WP:OLINK and I also think we should only use the official names. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - article is not MOS:ACCESS compliant at the moment, as it has tables within a table. I'm not sure why this happens every single year...  — Amakuru (talk) 17:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's no longer an issue on either final article. S.A. Julio (talk) 01:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colonel Dyck[edit]

Article: Lionel Dyck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): iHarare.com
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Rhodesian and Zimbabwean Army soldier and mercenary group leader. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting as Colonel Dyck which has a nice ring to it. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support using the common name. Aside from it being good enough for these past 34 months of his life, rank is among the things we can't take with us. There's an unfilled burial place field in the infobox, but I've never seen that stop anything before. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • PostedSchwede66 20:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not bitter, but this nicknaming business may set a new Slippery Slope Standard. Could be a lot of weird ones slipping through (especially with musicians, criminals and wrestlers) and a lot of extra arguments about which nicknames are the weird ones. Hopefully I'm wrong! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Boeing Starliner[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Boeing Starliner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Boeing Starliner launches on June 1st, 2024. (Post)
News source(s): CNBC Washington Post CBC CNN
Credits:
Nominator's comments: New to this process— may be short, but if someone could expand this, that would be great. 48JCLTALK 16:32, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome here and thanks! I'm thinking a blurb that mentions it being a spacecraft used to resupply the ISS could be more informative maybe? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the delay, wait and see if it's launched tomorrow. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 17:05, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whelp, launch got delayed again. Natg 19 (talk) 16:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wtf is happening at Boeing. How can it get this bad? This is like the 11th delay or something, it was originally scheduled for launch in 2017. What is going on PrecariousWorlds (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. Since the launch was sadly delayed, on procedural grounds I think this has to be closed at this time. No opposition to it being renominated at a later date when it eventually does get off the ground. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:44, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The C of E added alt version 48JCLTALK 16:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, according to news reports it looks like they are going to try again in 24 hours or so. So on that basis I would say wait until we know more. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks. 48JCLTALK 17:00, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and I suggest closing this for now. Starliner has been repeatedly delayed. Let's wait until it actually launches. Johndavies837 (talk) 18:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Sorry for the early ITN, the reason was because I was watching it live and the timer said 4 minutes until launch so I thought it would be appropriate for ITN. 48JCLTALK 19:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, welcome to ITN! Johndavies837 (talk) 21:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Tomorrow's launch attempt has been canceled as well. No launch until at least June 5 so there's no point in keeping this open. (Source) Johndavies837 (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

2024 South African general election[edit]

Article: 2024 South African general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The African National Congress (ANC) loses their 30-year majority in South Africa's parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The African National Congress (ANC) loses their majority for the first time since the end of apartheid in South Africa's parliamentary election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The African National Congress (ANC) wins South Africa's parliamentary election but lose their 30 year majority that they had held since the end of apartheid.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In South Africa's parliamentary election, the African National Congress (ANC) wins a plurality of the vote, but fails to achieve an outright majority for the first time since the end of apartheid.
News source(s): (AP) (BBC)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: In addition in highlighting the ANC losing its majority, the uMkhonto we Sizwe (MK), led by former president Jacob Zuma, has also seen a rise in the polls. CastleFort1 (talk) 11:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support when ready: Although we're still waiting for the official results to get published, and the article needs to be updated with new information, I think there's no doubt about the ANC's loss of parliamentary majority being by far the biggest takeaway from this election, as well as a turning point in the modern history of South Africa. Oltrepier (talk) 11:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Until official results and the composition of the National Assembly is finalised. However, last general election, did we wait to post when the president is actually elected by parliament or did we post the NA results? I would be in favour of posting both as this is the most significant election in South Africa since 1994, and basically the only election where one party hasn't been dominant since 1948. This is a big moment in South African history. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment we need to phrase this the way we always phrase election results, to avoid seeming partisan. The blurbs above, which phrase it as The ANC loses... are not accurate - the ANC still won the election, only that they're short of a majority.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I concur with this. After the number of seats are released, I will make a second alternate blurb to reflect it. It'll say that the ANC won the most in South Africa's election, but it will mention them losing their majority for the first time since the end of apartheid. CastleFort1 (talk) 12:56, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We could also write that the ANC won the plurality of votes but failed to get a majority. That could make it less ambiguous for readers. Scaramouche33 (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle BUT wait until the result is officially announced. I think the proposed wording is accurate but I do agree with the above that it should be something like ALT2 that I've just added as a possibility. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:58, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT2 once results are released, but it should be edited for grammar to "The African National Congress (ANC) wins South Africa's parliamentary election but loses its 30 year majority that it has held since the end of apartheid." PtolemyXV (talk) 17:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. A significant amount of unsourced statements and indeed a whole paragraph ("Preliminary candidate lists"). Black Kite (talk) 18:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt1, oppose Alt2 Alt1 best captures the significance of this electoral event for me. In principle I strongly oppose saying that a party that gets a plurality of seats "won an election" in ITN for parliamentary elections because it implies to anyone unfamiliar that that party will end up in power even if it isn't actually the case (e.g. Spain and Poland, where the plurality party failed to get into or lost power), although in this case it's moot because the ANC is expected to stay in power albeit while being forced to ally with another party. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on importance, but wait until results are announced and information in the article is improved. I have proposed Alt3, which addresses the fact ANC wins a plurality, but not a majority. I used outright to indicate/clarify there is still room for them form a ruling coalition, and I see it being used in various sources. NPR, AlJazeera, Bloomberg via YahooNews. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 19:50, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Alt3 but there are some paragraphs ends without any footnotes. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:12, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt2 now that the results are fully in I feel that this is the best description of the situation. Scu ba (talk) 17:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality still a lot of unsourced statements.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT2, oppose on quality per above. The Kip (contribs) 19:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • AAIOUIUA An acronym is only useful if used afterward. If we're posting this, post it without the "(ANC)" (or use it afterward). Please and thank you. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Marian Robinson[edit]

Article: Marian Robinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 22:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, I don't see any major problems with this article. KConWiki (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alexander Lang[edit]

Article: Alexander Lang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

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German actor and director. Needs more work. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are four cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Five now. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Six. Schwede66 20:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robert Pickton[edit]

Article: Robert Pickton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global News AP
Credits:

Article updated
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Looks fine. Natg 19 (talk) 20:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support It didn't look fine to me when I checked, but looks fine enough now (for a disgusting story, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 15:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support absolutely disgusted by this person but article is in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One of my closest friends going back nearly 20 years—a man who has always been among the least judgmental people you could possibly imagine, who strives to see the good in everybody—said at the time of sentencing (ca. 2007) that he was "disgusted" by what Pickton did. That is the only time I can recall him ever using such a strong word to describe his feelings towards anyone. Kurtis (talk) 11:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Speaking only for my own usually thick skin and unusually strong stomach, I should maybe be clear that I dropped the D-bomb for more than just Pickton and his multiple unchecked murders most foul. The early life and education here are shit. The drug and sex parties are depraved and harmful as a matter of course. The pig farming methods are casually inhumane. The way the Mounties always seem to shrug off missing and murdered indigenous women (even when they were called worse) is reprehensible. That day parole was even considered makes the whole penal system look broken and that the basic Hammurabic justice devoid in the first place was once again left in the hands of an unelected and unappointed sociopath afforded only the most primitive cleaning supplies is "problematic" at best. There are darker details, still, but they're too much for present company. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support—Well-written, well-sourced, and a dark blight on Canada's recent history that merits being known about. Kurtis (talk) 14:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • PostedBagumba (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Geneviève de Galard[edit]

Article: Geneviève de Galard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs a little work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are some cn tags that needs to be resolved. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Drew Gordon[edit]

Article: Drew Gordon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

In solid shape. Natg 19 (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ready article is in a very good shape therefore marking it ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a source for the stats tables, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 12:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added NBA.com as a source for the North American stats. Is there a source for stats from his playing days in Europe? --PFHLai (talk) 14:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PFHLai: basketball-reference.com is a good reference, and has been added. —Bagumba (talk) 19:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 20:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Schwede66: Now sourced. —Bagumba (talk) 22:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PostedSchwede66 01:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Donald Trump found guilty[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


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Article: Prosecution of Donald Trump in New York (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Donald Trump found guilty in a criminal trial of falsifying business records with the intent to conceal or commit another crime in relation to payments to the porn star Stormy Daniels. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former president of the United States Donald Trump (pictured) is found guilty of 34 felony charges in New York, USA.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former president of the United States Donald Trump (pictured) is found guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records.
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
BilledMammal (talk) 21:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is most certainly in the news. This is the first time a former U.S President has been found guilty of felony charges and is a very notable event. Lukt64 (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ach, beat me to it. I was going to boast about being the first vote to my grandkids. Bremps... 21:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
) Lukt64 (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support First criminal conviction of a U.S. President. Article quality is good. Bremps... 21:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt2 This is very important news. I believe ITN reports when a current/former head of state/government of a nation is convicted of a crime. The alt2 blurb also sounds the most "ITN" out of all of the blurbs.
Djprasadian (talk) 21:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support notability per Bremps, maybe wait a little for article to settle down a bit? Might be worth it to wait for whatever reactions come from Trump and other involved parties before posting. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We already have a separate article for that: Reactions to the prosecution of Donald Trump in New York. Partofthemachine (talk) 21:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Concur with this, article will almost certainly have some back-and-forths going on. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support even though I think it shouldn't have been posted this quickly. While I don't think convictions of heads of state/government should be ITNR, I do think they're generally pretty newsworthy. (And didn't we have another one earlier this year?) GenevieveDEon (talk) 21:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Stormy times for The Donald. Have just the cortege live on TV. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    you missed a good opportunity to blue link Stormy to Stormy Daniels Lukt64 (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How embarrassing. My apologies. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC) Shucks. US$130,000 and you don't even get golden rain.[reply]
  • Post-posting comment the New York, USA part is redundant as it already said he was the POTUS. Just say New York.
Jbvann05 21:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support this has made front-page headlines on multiple news sites. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 21:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'd just be very amused if we don't put this on the front page for a day or so, and let "Kolkata Knight Riders defeat Sunrisers Hyderabad" stay at the top for a while. What are the odds Sunil Narine would ever be on the front page again? DS (talk) 22:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment remember that while a likely near majority of us are elated by this news, we still must handle it's writing and application impartially and neutrally, meaning it should not be getting special attention at ITN outside of its posting in the standard ITN process. Masem (t) 22:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blurb missing "all" Seems that most sources headline that he was guilty on all 34 counts.[3]Bagumba (talk) 23:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support—Obviously. And I agree with Bagumba that we ought to mention the fact that Trump was convicted on every single count for which he stood trial. Kurtis (talk) 23:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support adding "all" per Bagumba. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support for the record. Historically important and being covered worldwide. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment should (question here, not a requirement) be saying that these are falsifying records as part of his 2016 election campaign? For our non-US readers that do not understand why this state-level charge of doing bad business has significant consequences. --Masem (t) 00:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Good idea, assuming it doesn't make the blurb too long. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, we'd need to stay concise Masem (t) 00:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That seems like a good idea. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 02:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Historic and significant. Minimal explanation is needed to elaborate. -TenorTwelve (talk) 02:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:16, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support for adding "all" as per Bagumba and Chaotic Enby. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment is it typical of ITN to post political court rulings before the appeal phase? 188.26.145.178 (talk) 06:37, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • A jury verdict is actually not considered a "court ruling", but with respect to precedent, we posted in December 2010 immediately following the conviction of former President of Israel Moshe Katsav on rape, obstruction of justice, and like charges. BD2412 T 15:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      And in nearly all cases where we have posted a conviction, we know appeals will be attempted and all that. If there is a change of the conviction after the fact (and that depends on the situation) we would likely post that. Masem (t) 16:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Larry R. Hicks[edit]

Article: Larry R. Hicks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Aizenberg, Tom (May 29, 2024). "Judge Larry R. Hicks, appointed by Bush, dies at 80; flags at half-staff in Nevada". KRNV.
Credits:

Article updated
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A very run-of-the-mill example of a modern United States federal judge. BD2412 T 02:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article look sready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard Ellis (biologist)[edit]

Article: Richard Ellis (biologist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Obit published 29 May. Thriley (talk) 21:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Article is a stub and needs ref work.Weak support I feel like the article just barely isn't a stub/covers the bear minimum. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment/Support I have rewritten and expanded the article to make it more acceptable for ITN. Should be good enough now. Scaramouche33 (talk) 16:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is in a good shape now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Rogers[edit]

Article: Bob Rogers (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Happily888 (talk) 15:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose some cn tags and Radio career section is unsourced. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margot Benacerraf[edit]

Article: Margot Benacerraf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País, Efecto Cocuyo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Venezuelan film director. Considered one of the most important filmmakers in the country, recipient of a Cannes Award in 1959. NoonIcarus (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose need for additional sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @PrinceofPunjab: There was only a single cn tag when I checked the articles. Said tag has been fixed now. --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 12:48, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unreferenced date of birth. Stub tag will have to be removed before it can go onto the main page. Schwede66 21:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have added a citation (reused) for the date of birth. Alexcalamaro (talk) 14:15, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Stub tag removed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      This wikibio currently has only 274 words of prose and could use a sentence or two to make it less stubby and more comfortably in Start class. Perhaps something on her early life and education? It says in the intro that she is of Moroccan Jewish descent, but this needs a mention in the main prose with a REF. I can only confirm that she is of Jewish origin from the El Pais and El Diario REFs, but not the Moroccan part. The intro also mentions that she was "one of the first Latin American filmmakers to ...", which also needs a mention in the main prose with a REF. I could only confirmed which schools she attended from the same REFs and the Cocuyo REF, not the "one of the first" part. Perhaps it says so in another REF? Anyway, listing UCV, Columbia and IDHEC and spelling out the names of these schools, plus dates, etc. should make the wikibio long enough. --PFHLai (talk) 13:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      The wikibio now has 330 words of prose, after the subject's education is added to the main prose, and is long enough to qualify. Can the intro get fixed up, please? Details mentioned in the intro should be backed up in the main prose with REFs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 14:17, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • @PFHLai: Thank you so much for the last improvements. I have rewritten the lead to fix the verifiability issues. --NoonIcarus (talk) 14:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thank you for fixing the intro. Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Recognition of Palestine by Ireland, Norway and Spain[edit]

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Article: International recognition of the State of Palestine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The governments of Norway, Ireland, and Spain recognise the State of Palestine as a sovereign state. In response, Israel recalls several of its ambassadors to these countries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN
Credits:

The previous nomination (from May 22) was closed because the event hadn't happened yet. Mika1h (talk) 18:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Sufficient update in terms of the added table parameters and details on diplomatic foreign relations with Ireland. Decent article that is maintained. Kingsif (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, although only the table has been updated and I would like to see prose about it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Relevant table has been updated. The article does not include individual prose for each country that recognizes Palestine - the updates to the article seem sufficient Schwinnspeed (talk) 23:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Even though this is covered by ongoing, it is notable enough to merit its own blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose They’re neither the first EU/NATO states (most of Eastern Europe) nor the first “western” states (Sweden, Iceland) to do so, and none of them (except debatably Spain) are major regional/international powers in the same way as the USA, Germany, or France (whose recognition I probably will support when it happens). I don’t really see how this is especially notable as a result, beyond the context of the war, at which point it becomes a question of whether it overrrides the ongoing item, and (perhaps somewhat circularly of me) for the reasons previously stated I don’t really think it does. The Kip (contribs) 00:16, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good enough, plus given the current climate surrounding Palestine/Israel conflict, this does have some more 'heft' to it. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per The Kip. I get the point that this was done by three countries at once in response to Israel's mishandling of the war against Hamas, but countries recognise the State of Palestine all the time in support of the two-state solution (for instance, Barbados, Jamaica, Trinidad and Tobago, and The Bahamas have very recently done it). A total of 145 out of 193 UN member states have recognised the State of Palestine, and these are no firsts in any category.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Slovenia’s also in the process of recognition as of today. The Kip (contribs) 22:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as before and a certain step towards two-state solution. Brandmeistertalk 07:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Really? Out of all the countries that recognise the State of Palestine these three are the 'certain step towards a two-state solution'? Traumnovelle (talk) 08:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In my humble opinion, even if lasting peace is light years away. Others may disagree. Brandmeistertalk 08:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I'm not seeing any prose update describing this event. Significance is not made clear in the article; how are governments responding to this? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No significant update – just some entries in a long table. Also, as this seems to be mainly a political gesture rather than having some significant effect on the ground, I reckon it's just one of many daily events covered by our Ongoing entry for the war. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, if there's not actual prose added describing the event, how is it considered significant enough to be ITN? It's a big deal but we already feature the Israel-Hamas War on the page and I don't see this as a significant change to the status quo, and if it is I have not seen adequate justification for that. Lunsel (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A significant unified front taking a notable step towards the recognition of Palestine. It is notable especially because the holdouts have been from “the west” and these countries are from “the west.” Admittedly, it was only 3. But this does create momentum for Palestinian statehood even if it will be years or decades.-TenorTwelve (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They’re not the first western states to do so, though - Sweden and Iceland beat them to that punch years ago. The Kip (contribs) 03:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Soon to be 4, with Slovenia, which can be taken as more evidence of momentum. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 09:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per The Kip, they are not the first western countries to recognize the Palestinian Statehood. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I know last time this came up, I opposed on CRYSTAL. But I still am not convinced its major enough to justify being in ITN as above states, other countries already did this before and I think its generally already covered by the ongoing conflict coverage. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:49, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support on principle, oppose on lack of update. We can't post every country that recognises Palestine, and there isn't a clear 'first' in this case. Nevertheless it has garnered a lot more media attention than almost every other recognition in that table. So in principle I think this is postable. However Andrew Davidson is right - there's no prose update in the article, only table entries. We need at least a paragraph of referenced prose about these developments. Modest Genius talk 12:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We can’t just put stuff for ITN just because a country recognized another country. 48JCLTALK 16:51, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Georgian protests[edit]

Article: 2023–2024 Georgian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The Georgian parliament led by the Georgian Dream party votes on overturning the presidential veto of a controversial Russian-modelled proposed "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence" amidst large-scale protests. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Georgian parliament led by the Georgian Dream party overturns the presidential veto of the controversial Russian-modelled "Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence" despite large-scale protests
News source(s): The Guardian (live coverage)
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article really needs an overhaul, may have to wait until vote is overAbcmaxx (talk) 10:24, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support has been preceded by notable protests, fits ITNR Ion.want.uu (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, but the protest article needs just a few more fixes (four {{cn}} paragraphs in the Russia and US reaction sections, some proseline issues). For people using cite highlighters like me, note that some sources show up as unreliable even though they might not be, as the Facebook share link of the sources got archived instead for some reason. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for multiple reasons. Firstly, this is domestic politics with no major international impact. Secondly, if there were mass-scale protests and people really condemn the bill, they could vote against the ruling political parties on the parliamentary election later this year to change the political climate. That’s how it works in a democratic country, which Georgia pretends to be. Thirdly, the wording of the blurb with “controversial Russian-modelled” is very confusing (Did Russian officials participate in the proposal?) and not neutral. Fourthly, posting this implies that we should consider posting the potential repeal of the law in the near future if the composition of the parliament changes, which would be too much navel-gazing on a topic within a single country. In general, we don’t post such events. Protests always have the potential to merit inclusion in case they escalate, but this is still not it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please reread WP:ITNCDONT.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It quite clearly means it's modelled on a Russian law, not that Russians had any direct involvement. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Vanilla Wizard: Even if it's modelled on a Russian law, this is an event with a minor impact in global politics, and "controversial" isn't a word that should be included in a blurb. Wikipedia should remain impartial. There are hundreds of similar laws around the globe which push countries closer to Russia, China, the United States or any other global player. I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 06:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If people are protesting the law it is evidently controversial... Traumnovelle (talk) 06:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Those people can punish the governing parties on the parliamentary election later this year. That’s how democracy works. The protests have potential for posting if they turn violent with casualties or end up in a change of government, and the law itself has potential if international sanctions are imposed against the Georgian government, but the events have clearly not reached that state yet. A milder way to oppose this would be to wait how things develop in the coming days. Otherwise, a law on NGOs resulting in mass-scale protests is very much a run-of-the-mill event, especially in times when we have major ongoing armed conflicts.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It has major international impact in light of EU enlargement and the threat of Russian aggression. This law has put Georgia away from the EU membership they have been striving for until now and back into the arms of Russia, who still occupy 1/3 of the country. The fact that several heads of state as well as international organisation have widely commented on this repeatedly reflects this. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Georgia's accession to the EU would increase its population by 0.83 per cent, area by 1.65 per cent, GDP by 0.18 per cent, and would reduce its GDP per capita by 0.65 per cent. That's all but definitely not a major impact. Furthermore, it won't happen in foreseeable future given that there have been candidate countries for more than 20 years now. Also, if you take a look at the opinion polls on this year's parliamentary election, it doesn't seem likely that the ruling party will lose and the government will change. So, it literally boils down to whether these protests can overturn the government and/or something big happens in the country's international relations (e.g. imposing of international sanctions). As it stands, there are no signs for that happening other than diplomatic notes, but we can wait to see how the story unfolds further.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's the closest transcontinental country to EU membership, polling in Georgia has EU accession at 80% support levels consistently. The protests have been huge given the relatively small population, consistent, long-term and widespread; the 2023 protests were successful at the time; this time time will tell but inclusion on ITN is not solely based its success rate. Every major news outlet in most countries has covered this, which is rare given it's a small far-flung state for most, nearly all top politicians in the EU, Russia and US have commented or are monitoring the developments. I think given Russia's increasing influence Georgia is seem as a litmus test for many, so it is hugely important geo-politically. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm still not entirely sure what kind of protests are considered notable enough for inclusion on ITN. Does it have to have a death toll? Does it have to lead to regime change? Obviously, we can't predict the latter, so it remains vague Scaramouche33 (talk) 12:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was pinged, but I'll only make this one reply as it seems this back-and-forth is long enough already. Re: "I also don't see how my argumentation violates WP:ITNCDONT" Because your first and foremost argument against posting was that you believe this story only affects one country and has no international impact. WP:ITNCDONT clearly outlines this is not an acceptable reason to oppose. "Please do not... Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive." I was going to argue against the idea that there's "no international impact" to what's going on in Georgia right now when the geopolitical implications seem fairly obvious, but doing so would be besides the point. Even if I agreed that this story is only related to Georgia alone, that's not a valid reason to oppose it. That is why I asked that you reread WP:ITNCDONT.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You’re clearly overreacting here and hanging on to my argument on the limited impact of this event. Please read my other arguments and the whole discussion before rules-lawyering. In general, we don’t post protests, unless they turn violent or result in major changes. Furthermore, the Georgian government began normalising the relations with Russia when they lifted the sanctins and re-introduced air travel between the two countries last year. This law is relatively insignificant compared to what was happening over the past year, but people get deluded that this is a break-even point because of the protests (there are always protests when authorities clamp down on the NGO sector, but that doesn’t imply any greater significance).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    just cos we haven’t done it before doesn’t mean we don’t do it now Ion.want.uu (talk) 15:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's notable enough, especially with the EU and USA reaction. Should the bill pass, which it looks like GD will do everything in their power to do so, then that effectively scuttles any and all chances of Georgia approaching the west or having friendly relations with the EU, which has stated this will kill their EU membership bid, and the US said if it passes it will warrant sanctions on Georgian leadership. Scu ba (talk) 05:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article is pretty hard to read, grammatically, narratively and organizationally. Longer than it has to be, too. I don't think many people going in without a prior understanding of the plot are going to leave with one, either, just "plenty of snippets" and disjointed parablocks (chunky pseudographs). InedibleHulk (talk) 09:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The article is a mess, and the update given by the blurb is a whole two sentences. The bill itself likely needs to be its own thing from the protests, and that's going to be a lot of work. --Masem (t) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality and it's just a domestic thing, not really ITN worthy (maybe good for ongoing though for the protests?) Sharrdx (talk) 13:05, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ongoing means there would be several blurb-worthy (or close to blurb-worthy) updates, so that's an even higher bar to clear. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 18:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose on quality Very much in the news, I feel like I've been seeing an endless stream of new articles about it even though Georgia isn't exactly a country I'd expect to see nonstop news about. It definitely has major geopolitical implications, but I'd also like to remind some editors that it also doesn't need to in order to be notable enough for ITN. As for quality: the page isn't unsalvageable, but it definitely needs some work. It doesn't take a lot of skimming to find some confusingly written sentences that were probably translated very roughly from Georgian. I'd say most of the article is okay (or at least intelligible) but I'd like to see some improvements made before posting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality as the article needs work for readability. Support on notability, but oppose current blurb - IMO the protests should be the focus, not the law itself. The Kip (contribs) 01:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. PrinceofPunjabTALK 03:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) People's Majlis[edit]

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Article: People's Majlis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Members of the 20th Parliament of the Maldives take oath of office and Abdul Raheem Abdulla elected speaker (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Members of the 20th Parliament of the Maldives take oath of office and Abdul Raheem Abdulla, Special Advisor to the President elected speaker
News source(s): Edition, Sun, Sun, Avas, Majlis, Adhadhu
Credits:

The parliament with most members in the Maldivian history with an amount of 93 and People's National Congress has a super majority with 75 members making an history. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 08:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is not an ITNR, the election was last month. The inauguration or taking of the oath of office is rarely considered significant enough for a blurb if the election was already reported. --Masem (t) 11:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Estreyeria (talk) 13:14, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Masem. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 19:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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May 27[edit]

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime


(Posted) RD: Alan Choe[edit]

Article: Alan Choe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Straits Times (Singapore)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Singaporean architect and urban planner. Ktin (talk) 20:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support there are no apparent issues wit the article. PrinceofPunjabTALK 02:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Elizabeth MacRae[edit]

Article: Elizabeth MacRae (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:E4DF:C268:98B6:EDE2 (talk) 02:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose The article's body isn't bad in terms of sourcing, just one cn tag overall. However the filmography section is unsourced and needs ref work. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No {cn} tags remaining, but the Filmography section has remained unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 14:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bette Nash[edit]

Article: Bette Nash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

World's longest serving flight attendent. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 17:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bill Walton[edit]

Article: Bill Walton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 17:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support Awards section lacks inline citation, but most of it is cited in the prose. GreatCaesarsGhost 19:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support updated and sourced some things. I do see two citation needed tags, but they are likely sourced within the next sentence. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Supportpbp 00:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Impressed with this article & its excellent and thorough sourcing. But I agree that the Awards section lacks inline citations at this point (as GreatCaesarsGhost mentions above), but as soon as this section is corroborated it should be Ready to post. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 00:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I added inline citations. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, good work. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 03:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Sufficient sourcing and quality.—Bagumba (talk) 03:53, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Black Kite (talk) 12:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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